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Australian Expert on Overseas Study

Lixin: Ms.Jocelyn Chey, as far as we know, there are more and more Chinese students studying in Australia.I've had an interview with the Australian counselor of

education  Mr.Watt, and got informed that there are nearly 20,000 Chinese students in Australia.Since Australia is a multicultural and unique society, it is probably hard for Chinese students to fit in with it.As a native Australian, do you have any suggestions or recommendations for our youth?

Ms.Jocelyn Chey: Well, it's a pity that my friend is not here.She is teaching English as a foreign language and she used to work in Beijing, now she is teaching in Sydney.I can tell you some of the stories, which she told me which are actual cases about

Chinese students.Recently she had a cla sponsored by Shanghai Yangpu district.The education commiion set a group of high school English language teachers to Australia and they are going to introduce a new English language text book in Shanghai.So these teachers spent two months taking claes with my friend and they learnt a lot.They got back with some new teaching methods.But they also learned a lot about Australia, because they were staying in families, each one with a different family.This was organized by the college where they were studying.They have an office called Home Stay Program taking charge of it.To begin with, they came to cla and told my friend they were not very happy;they didn't like the food or whatever.And what my friend said was “ Just be patient.Don't make a change straight away.Just stay where you are for a few weeks.Then if after two weeks, you still don't like it, that is the time to change." After two weeks, they all loved it.They got to know the family, the

children,the dog and the cat,and they went out with the family at the weekend.So,by the end of two months, they said they really had a good time.But one of the things, which they were not prepared for was that Sydney is full of all different kinds of families.Because you know, Australia attracts migrants from all over the world.As for Chinese students, they have to be a little bit more open minded.After all, we didn't go overseas to find the country just the same with our own.So if you go overseas, you should expect things to be different.I hope the Chinese students just be patient and look on the bright side and find some things to enjoy.Li: Yes, but to open up one's mind, one needs to prepare.How do you recommend them to do before going abroad?

Ms.Chey: I think, for any student when they are going overseas,they worry a little bit about whether they will be lonely,whether they will be homesick, miing the family, and whether they will be safe.So if the student has always lived at home with the family and has no experience of being independent, it will be hard for him to get used to being overseas.I think,my impreion is that some families have spoilt their

children.So perhaps, compare with Australian young people,Chinese young people are not so used to being independent,traveling on their own.So I think the most important is kind of mental preparation.To ask am I prepared to rely on myself and on my own

resources.Perhaps in preparing to go overseas, people could start by trying some independent traveling in China,in the country they know the language.So if you can't travel alone in your own country, it will be obvious more difficult to travel in another country.We mentioned safety, yeah? Really Australia is quite a safe place.The reason it's safe is that there is not the same level of poverty in Australia than you find in many Asian countries.We have a social security system, so if people are unemployed, they will get government support.Unfortunately, we do have crime, and crime in Australia is mostly related with drugs.There are some places in any big city which I will not go to, because I know these places are where the drug dealers are.And in those areas, people are addicted to drugs.They need money to buy drugs, so they may break into houses, etc.Usually, when you go to a city, the first thing is to find out from the local people which are the safe places to go and which places are not safe to go.And then just keep away from those places.These are practical things and I

hope that people who read your English Salon will think about it before going overseas to study.Li: As a famous sinologist and a diplomat with wide range of experience,you have a thorough understanding of both sides' culture.For you,you can speak excellent Chinese.What do you think is the cultural difference that makes foreign language learning a difficult thing? How to overcome it? |上海 |北京 |广州 |深圳 |天津 |重庆 |南京 |成都 |苏州 |杭州 |武汉

Ms.Chey: Well, the obvious thing in learning every foreign language for me and for you is the fear of making mistakes.I remember my teacher once said that for a small child, if he doesn't fall down, he will never grow up.Because when a little baby learns to walk, he frequently falls over.But they are not afraid of falling over and that's why they can learn to walk.Anyone who just sits where they are and fears of falling over will never make any progre.If you are learning a foreign language, you got to overcome this fear and say something even if it is the wrong thing.My view is that Chinese students are very good at understanding on what they read, but not so good at speaking and listening.Well, English of course is difficult, because there are so many different accents.So for speaking, generally we think it is the weakne of a foreign language learner.Li: As a language learner, yourself, do you have any good leons to share with our readers?

Ms.Chey:I can tell you this.I learned Chinese old fashionedly, so I learned to read, write and there was no oral exam.So it was very difficult for me to speak.Then after I graduated from university I decided this is very bad, for I was going to work in Asia and I must learn to speak Chinese.So I found a very good teacher.By the time I was in

Hong Kong, it was not poible to study standard Chinese there.Fortunately, my teacher came from Beijing, so I learned good standard Chinese accent, not Cantonese accent.And my teacher's wife and two children also just came from Beijing.My

teacher became very good friend to me and used to invite me to his home.I played with the children.Each week when I went there, I would prepare before I went some English stories to tell the children.I would write down and try to tell them the stories in Chinese for the children was only five or six years old and didn't know any English at all.I think the key to learning to speak a foreign language is that people don't criticize you if you say the wrong thing.While for me, I practiced a lot with children and I didn't worry about whether I made a mistake.So after six months, I could speak Chinese pretty well.My advice is that if you want to speak English well, practice with your friends as much as poible.Li: You hit the point.Thank you very much.澳大利亚专家谈海外学习

李昕：梅卓琳女士，据我们了解，有越来越多的中国学生在澳读书。我采访过澳大利亚(驻华使馆)教育参赞万先生，获悉目前在澳大利亚有近两万名我国学生。由于澳大利亚是一个有着多元文化的独特的社会，所以对中国学生来说或许较难适应。你在澳大利亚土生土长，对我国年轻人有何建议或劝告?

梅卓琳女士：哦，很遗憾我的朋友不在这儿，她教授英语，作为外语来教。她曾在北京工作过，而今在悉尼执教。我可以给你讲几个故事，那是她告诉我的关于中国学生的真实事例。最近她教了一个由上海市杨浦区资助的班。该区教委派了一组中学英语教师赴澳。他们准备在上海引入一套新的英语教材。所以这批教师赴澳跟着我的朋友上了两个月的课，他们学到了很多东西，带回国一些新的教学法。但他们也了解了许多关于澳大利亚的事情，因为他们住进了当地居民家里，一人住一家。这是由他们学习的大学安排的。一个叫“住家分派计划办公室”的机构负责此事。刚开始，他们去上课时告诉我朋友，说他们不太高兴；说他们不喜欢那些食物等等东西。而我朋友则说，“耐心一点儿，不要马上就做改变。先呆上几周再说。如果两周后，你们还是不喜欢，那就该改变了。”两周后，他们都喜欢上了。他们结识了这家人、孩子、狗和猫；周末时他随他们一家一起出门。所以，两个月过完时，他们说他们过得真开心。但有一件事他们没料到，悉尼的居民家庭各种各样，不都相同。如你所知，澳大利亚吸引了来自世界各地的移民。对中国学生而言，他们的思想得更开阔一些，毕竟，我们出国并不是为了发现这个国家与自己的祖国别无二致。所以，你到了国外，就得想着这里的事物与国内不同。我希望中国学生能耐心一些，要看到事物好的一面，尽量多找些乐趣。李：是的，但思想开阔也需要有所准备。你对即将出国的人们有何劝告?

梅女士：我想，每一个即将出国的学生，他都会担心自己是否会孤独，是否会想家、想念家人，以及自己是否会很安全。所以，如果某个学生一直在家里跟家人住在一起从未独立过，那他要适应海外生活是比较难的。我认为，我印象里有些家长把他们的孩子都宠坏了。或许与澳大利亚的年轻人相比，中国的年轻人不太习惯独立生活，孤身出远门。所以，我认为最重要的是要有点儿心理上的准备。问问自己，你是否准备好了依靠自己来排忧解难。或许在准备出国时，可以先试着独自在中国旅行，在自己的母语国。这样，如果你在自己国家都不能孤身旅行，很显然在另一个国家旅行就更困难了。

我们提到了安全，对吧?澳大利亚真是个很安全的地方。说它安全是因为澳大利亚的贫困状况与许多亚洲国家的不在一个水平上。我们有社会保障制度，因而人们一旦失业，他们会获政府援助。然而遗憾的是，我们也的确有犯罪；在澳大利亚，犯罪大都与毒品有关。在每个大城市都有那么一些地方我都不会去，因为我知道那儿是毒品贩子的地盘。在那些地区，人们吸毒成瘾，他们需要钱来买毒品，他们会破门入户行窃，如此等等。通常，当你抵达一城市，要做的第一件事就是从当地居民那儿打听到哪儿是安全的地方，哪些地方不安全不要去，远离那些地方。这些都是些实用的东西，我希望阅读《英语沙龙》的人在出国学习前都要考虑一下这些情况。

李：作为著名的汉学家和有丰富经验的外交官，你对两国的文化有着深入的了解。对你来讲，你能讲一口流利的汉语，你认为是哪些文化差异导致了外语学习的困难呢?如何克服?

梅女士：对你我来说，学任何一门外语最明显的一点就是怕犯错。我记得我的老师曾说，小孩如果不跌跤，他就不会长大。因为小孩初学步时，他经常摔倒，但他们不怕，所以他们学会了走路。任何人如果怕跌跤而老坐在原地，他就不会有任何进步。如果你要学一门外语，你就得克服这种惧怕，开口说，即使出错也无妨。

我觉得中国学生阅读的理解力非常好，但听说能力没那么好。当然，学英语是比较难的，因为有那么多不同的口音。因此，我们认为说的能力通常是外语学习者的一个弱项。

李：你本人，作为语言学习者，有什么好经验与我们《英语沙龙》杂志的读者分享吗?

梅女士：我可以告诉你这个，我学汉语时用的是老式办法，我学了读和写，而当时没有口语考试，因此要我开口说就很困难。后来从大学毕业了，我认定不会说是非常糟糕的，因为我要去亚洲工作，我必需得会说汉语。因此我就为自己找了个很好的老师。那时我在香港，在那里不可能学到标准汉语。幸运的是，我的老师来自北京，所以我学到了很好的标准汉语口音，而不是粤语腔调。我老师的夫人和两个孩子也刚从北京过来。跟老师成了好朋友之后，他常请我到他家去。我跟两个孩子一起玩。每周去他家之前，我都要事先准备好几个英语故事讲给孩子们听。我先写下来，然后用汉语讲给孩子们听，因为他们也就五六岁，一点英语也不懂。

我认为学讲一门外语的关键是，如果你说错了，不会有人批评你。我呢，我跟孩子们练习了大量口语，也不必担心我是否犯了错。这样，6个月之后，我就能讲相当好的汉语了。我建议，如果你想讲一口不错的英文，就多跟朋友们练吧。李：这主意不错。

谢谢你。